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	<description>Scott Wells on the practice of Christian faith</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Wells</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-38130</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 18:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the review and first chapter &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/books/review/Kummer-t.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/books/chapters/0527-1st-king.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the review and first chapter <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/books/review/Kummer-t.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/books/chapters/0527-1st-king.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-38114</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 03:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara Kingsolver's new book on eating locally -- "Animal, Vegetable, &lt;strike&gt;Mineral&lt;/strike&gt; Miracle" -- got reviewed in today's NY Times Book Review, and the reviewer says Kingsolver fed her family for a year for under 50 cents a head per meal. Alas, she grew much of her own food -- not possible for us apartment dwellers. But even something like joining a CSA usually means you wind up getting produce more cheaply than buying it at the supermarket, and the produce I buy at the local farmer's market is half the price I pay at the supermarket. I keep thinking that buying local foods ultimately will wind up being cheaper.

[The &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt; issued a title correction. Ed.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Kingsolver&#8217;s new book on eating locally &#8212; &#8220;Animal, Vegetable, <strike>Mineral</strike> Miracle&#8221; &#8212; got reviewed in today&#8217;s NY Times Book Review, and the reviewer says Kingsolver fed her family for a year for under 50 cents a head per meal. Alas, she grew much of her own food &#8212; not possible for us apartment dwellers. But even something like joining a CSA usually means you wind up getting produce more cheaply than buying it at the supermarket, and the produce I buy at the local farmer&#8217;s market is half the price I pay at the supermarket. I keep thinking that buying local foods ultimately will wind up being cheaper.</p>
<p>[The <em>New York Times</em> issued a title correction. Ed.]</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-38075</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 14:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I'm gonna link to it.  E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I&#8217;m gonna link to it.  E</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wells</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35190</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which company was founded by a Universalist. We've come full circle. Q.E.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which company was founded by a Universalist. We&#8217;ve come full circle. Q.E.D.</p>
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		<title>By: fausto</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35188</link>
		<dc:creator>fausto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless, of course, they're Quaker Oats....

(he ducks)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless, of course, they&#8217;re Quaker Oats&#8230;.</p>
<p>(he ducks)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wells</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35184</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what of the neeps and tatties? And the Scots have one of the few vegan sausages out there: the white pudding, when made of a non-animal fat.

And of oats -- yes, they have a certain Calvinist quality to them, but less Auld Kirk and more, ahem, Regular Baptists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what of the neeps and tatties? And the Scots have one of the few vegan sausages out there: the white pudding, when made of a non-animal fat.</p>
<p>And of oats &#8212; yes, they have a certain Calvinist quality to them, but less Auld Kirk and more, ahem, Regular Baptists.</p>
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		<title>By: fausto</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35183</link>
		<dc:creator>fausto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as I recall, one of  "A Prairie Home Companion"'s regular sponsors is Mournful Oatmeal, whose pitch line is "Calvinism In A Box".

All the oats in Scotland can't begin to ameliorate the rest of the Scottish diet, unfortunately.  It's no wonder they liked to strip naked, paint themselves blue, and come rushing out of the glens swinging broadaxes at anything that moved.  Not only is it more glorious to die bravely in battle than in your sleep of a stroke, but if they died before supper, they wouldn't have to eat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as I recall, one of  &#8220;A Prairie Home Companion&#8221;&#8217;s regular sponsors is Mournful Oatmeal, whose pitch line is &#8220;Calvinism In A Box&#8221;.</p>
<p>All the oats in Scotland can&#8217;t begin to ameliorate the rest of the Scottish diet, unfortunately.  It&#8217;s no wonder they liked to strip naked, paint themselves blue, and come rushing out of the glens swinging broadaxes at anything that moved.  Not only is it more glorious to die bravely in battle than in your sleep of a stroke, but if they died before supper, they wouldn&#8217;t have to eat it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wells</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35180</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I eat a bowl of salted, but otherwise plain, steel-cut oat porridge every day. Rather healthy, and very Scottish, even if I'm not.</description>
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		<title>By: fausto</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35179</link>
		<dc:creator>fausto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We can speak plainly about ancestral foodways — which almost by definition are healthier than today’s — with pride. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, well, your name nothwithstanding, your ancestors must not have been Scots. Haggis, lard and blood pudding, washed down with many deep draughts (and understandably so) of &lt;i&gt;uisge beathe&lt;/i&gt;, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We can speak plainly about ancestral foodways — which almost by definition are healthier than today’s — with pride. </i></p>
<p>Yeah, well, your name nothwithstanding, your ancestors must not have been Scots. Haggis, lard and blood pudding, washed down with many deep draughts (and understandably so) of <i>uisge beathe</i>, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: PeaceBang</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35164</link>
		<dc:creator>PeaceBang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wrote that so that I could get Scott and Hafhida and Ron and Jaume to write all their wonderful comments.  

No, but seriously... I shop at WF, too, and eat there frequently.  I think my bitchiness comes from feeling kind of helpless about how many choices we do have and how many choices a lot of other folks don't have -- and to echo Hafidha, how much junkie food choices are marketed to everyone as the "easier" choice.

Is there going to be a trickle-down effect here to less economically advantaged communities, or are we obligated to spread the gospel, as it were, and to ask the questions about what kind of food is available to all of us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrote that so that I could get Scott and Hafhida and Ron and Jaume to write all their wonderful comments.  </p>
<p>No, but seriously&#8230; I shop at WF, too, and eat there frequently.  I think my bitchiness comes from feeling kind of helpless about how many choices we do have and how many choices a lot of other folks don&#8217;t have &#8212; and to echo Hafidha, how much junkie food choices are marketed to everyone as the &#8220;easier&#8221; choice.</p>
<p>Is there going to be a trickle-down effect here to less economically advantaged communities, or are we obligated to spread the gospel, as it were, and to ask the questions about what kind of food is available to all of us?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaume</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35161</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know about the WF serrano ham because it was so expensive and I only needed to wait for a few days before I could enjoy it at home, but you are certainly invited to taste it when you can visit Spain. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know about the WF serrano ham because it was so expensive and I only needed to wait for a few days before I could enjoy it at home, but you are certainly invited to taste it when you can visit Spain. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: h sofia</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35160</link>
		<dc:creator>h sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaume,
I am such a sucker for Whole Foods! Never tried the serrano ham there .... I'm not much for pork, but if it's as amazing as you say ....

Ron,
Liking the thought of the "shared full meal." Will have to check out your blog again to learn more ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaume,<br />
I am such a sucker for Whole Foods! Never tried the serrano ham there &#8230;. I&#8217;m not much for pork, but if it&#8217;s as amazing as you say &#8230;.</p>
<p>Ron,<br />
Liking the thought of the &#8220;shared full meal.&#8221; Will have to check out your blog again to learn more &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaume</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the Whole Foods stores and they are a must in any of my visits to the US. BTW it is also a good place to meet other UUs, you just need to keep your eyes and ears open ;-). And it is one of the few places in America where you can find real Spanish serrano ham, one of the Seven Wonders of the Food World (although at mind-boggling prices, I am sorry to say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the Whole Foods stores and they are a must in any of my visits to the US. BTW it is also a good place to meet other UUs, you just need to keep your eyes and ears open ;-). And it is one of the few places in America where you can find real Spanish serrano ham, one of the Seven Wonders of the Food World (although at mind-boggling prices, I am sorry to say).</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I responded over at PB, and I have written just now before I read her, on my blog about a recent community gardening organic gardening seminar I went to and its metaphors for spiritual living and the organic church movement.... But Scott after reading your post, all I can think about is the power of communion and the theology of the shared full meal. We eat everytime we gather here at The Living Room Church, and I am looking forward to raising these issues with others and hope it leads to some real transformational work; I think it will help folks with other addictions and so much else that might be holding them these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I responded over at PB, and I have written just now before I read her, on my blog about a recent community gardening organic gardening seminar I went to and its metaphors for spiritual living and the organic church movement&#8230;. But Scott after reading your post, all I can think about is the power of communion and the theology of the shared full meal. We eat everytime we gather here at The Living Room Church, and I am looking forward to raising these issues with others and hope it leads to some real transformational work; I think it will help folks with other addictions and so much else that might be holding them these days.</p>
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		<title>By: h sofia</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/the-healthy-sustainable-diet/#comment-35152</link>
		<dc:creator>h sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting take on this issue. You took this to a place I didn't expect, and it's given me some things to think about. 

I didn't quite know how to respond to PB's posting (and also, I can't reply to Blogger posts right now anyway). I try to eat healthfully and realize that I'm privileged to be able to eat the way that I do. I've seen the crappy food sold in crappy little corner stores in poorer sections of big cities, with their sorry excuses for produce and ridiculously high prices. 

At the same time, I think people in our country who are not flat out broke (e.g. homeless) eat poorly because the market has been structured in such a way to make it appear easier to eat that way. When I look at the price of processed foods like Hot Pockets and hot dogs, I have a hard time believing that they're cheaper than a couple pounds of rice and beans would be. Not even organic rice and beans! But when was the last time you saw a commercial for just plain old rice and beans? 

To my mind, the biggest problem here is the way in which people don't challenge what is being marketed to them. I have friends who have been on extremely limited budgets, but still ate high quality food. They accomplished this through things like sharing the job of cooking meals with friends, eating soups made from inexpensive ingredients like lentils, joining a  food coop, finding a spot to garden, or splitting the cost of weekly deliveries of organic vegetables with roommates or neighbors. Unfortunately, this kind of behavior is perceived as "alternative" and we RARELY see it encouraged in mainstream media or in our institutions.  I'd love to see middle schools and high schools offer classes on How Not to Have to Buy Everything You Need from the Mall. 

What I see you talking about in your post is "community," and in our society - filled with people buying their own individual everything, completely ignorant of their neighbors' names - we are not taught how to address these kinds of issues together. So we just take whatever is doled out to us - whatever seems most convenient. Even if it is actually MORE expensive (e.g. individualized portions of yogurt vs. a whole tub of yogurt). 

When I was a kid living in new york city, my mother used to go to all the way to another borough to slaughter the chickens we occasionally ate. Later, my parents would drive out to the only health food store on Long Island for meat substitutes, or seek out 7th Day Adventist churches that had (vegetarian) food stores . This was to keep us in adherence to our religious dietary laws surrounding the killing of animals for food.  I saw members of our community splitting the cost of a calf or lamb or goat, and then several of them driving out to the country to kill the animals, skin it, divide it up, and bring it back in little white paper parcels. We're not talking middle class or upper class folks here. Would it have been easier to just go to Pathmark or A&#38;P? Of course! And that's exactly what most people did.  But some people talked to each other, discovered they had shared needs and concerns, and found a way around the mainstream institutions. They created their own systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting take on this issue. You took this to a place I didn&#8217;t expect, and it&#8217;s given me some things to think about. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t quite know how to respond to PB&#8217;s posting (and also, I can&#8217;t reply to Blogger posts right now anyway). I try to eat healthfully and realize that I&#8217;m privileged to be able to eat the way that I do. I&#8217;ve seen the crappy food sold in crappy little corner stores in poorer sections of big cities, with their sorry excuses for produce and ridiculously high prices. </p>
<p>At the same time, I think people in our country who are not flat out broke (e.g. homeless) eat poorly because the market has been structured in such a way to make it appear easier to eat that way. When I look at the price of processed foods like Hot Pockets and hot dogs, I have a hard time believing that they&#8217;re cheaper than a couple pounds of rice and beans would be. Not even organic rice and beans! But when was the last time you saw a commercial for just plain old rice and beans? </p>
<p>To my mind, the biggest problem here is the way in which people don&#8217;t challenge what is being marketed to them. I have friends who have been on extremely limited budgets, but still ate high quality food. They accomplished this through things like sharing the job of cooking meals with friends, eating soups made from inexpensive ingredients like lentils, joining a  food coop, finding a spot to garden, or splitting the cost of weekly deliveries of organic vegetables with roommates or neighbors. Unfortunately, this kind of behavior is perceived as &#8220;alternative&#8221; and we RARELY see it encouraged in mainstream media or in our institutions.  I&#8217;d love to see middle schools and high schools offer classes on How Not to Have to Buy Everything You Need from the Mall. </p>
<p>What I see you talking about in your post is &#8220;community,&#8221; and in our society - filled with people buying their own individual everything, completely ignorant of their neighbors&#8217; names - we are not taught how to address these kinds of issues together. So we just take whatever is doled out to us - whatever seems most convenient. Even if it is actually MORE expensive (e.g. individualized portions of yogurt vs. a whole tub of yogurt). </p>
<p>When I was a kid living in new york city, my mother used to go to all the way to another borough to slaughter the chickens we occasionally ate. Later, my parents would drive out to the only health food store on Long Island for meat substitutes, or seek out 7th Day Adventist churches that had (vegetarian) food stores . This was to keep us in adherence to our religious dietary laws surrounding the killing of animals for food.  I saw members of our community splitting the cost of a calf or lamb or goat, and then several of them driving out to the country to kill the animals, skin it, divide it up, and bring it back in little white paper parcels. We&#8217;re not talking middle class or upper class folks here. Would it have been easier to just go to Pathmark or A&amp;P? Of course! And that&#8217;s exactly what most people did.  But some people talked to each other, discovered they had shared needs and concerns, and found a way around the mainstream institutions. They created their own systems.</p>
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