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	<title>Comments on: Polity quandries and the UUA Bylaws</title>
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	<description>Scott Wells on the practice of Christian faith</description>
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		<title>By: boy in the bands</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/polity-quandries-and-the-uua-bylaws/#comment-85</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;"Deacons?" Derek asks&lt;/strong&gt;
In the comments section of my last entry, Derek Parker (Watch and Pray) asks: In your polity quest, have you found any references to the office of deacon? I found that my own congregation's by-laws have a provision for deacons....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Deacons?&#8221; Derek asks</strong><br />
In the comments section of my last entry, Derek Parker (Watch and Pray) asks: In your polity quest, have you found any references to the office of deacon? I found that my own congregation&#8217;s by-laws have a provision for deacons&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Philocrites</title>
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		<description>Great questions! I look forward to reading what others make of them. My comments regarding your first question:

A "creedal test" would seem to me to involve the existence of a disciplinary body that could nullify a person's membership on the basis of a discrepancy between the person's stated beliefs and the church's official statement of belief. It's the withdrawal of fellowship from someone because of that person's conscientious difference of theological opinion. 

I don't think any of the historical Unitarian or Universaalist professions qualify as "creedal tests," although there are moments in our history when they may have briefly been used that way -- almost always to discipline ministers, not members.

The really interesting question, in my mind, isn't whether a member faces disciplinary action for deviating from our implicit or semi-explicit doctrines -- since it's pretty hard to find an example of such a thing at an organized, official level. It's this: How does a congregation find a workable compromise between guaranteeing "freedom of the pulpit" while also expecting its minister to publicly promote the congregation's values and doctrines? 

What if the minister's conscience ends up at odds with the congregation's? Can this be explicitly acknowledged, or does the congregation need to discover some other grievance to end the relationship? Do we have implicit creedal tests for clergy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great questions! I look forward to reading what others make of them. My comments regarding your first question:</p>
<p>A &#8220;creedal test&#8221; would seem to me to involve the existence of a disciplinary body that could nullify a person&#8217;s membership on the basis of a discrepancy between the person&#8217;s stated beliefs and the church&#8217;s official statement of belief. It&#8217;s the withdrawal of fellowship from someone because of that person&#8217;s conscientious difference of theological opinion. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any of the historical Unitarian or Universaalist professions qualify as &#8220;creedal tests,&#8221; although there are moments in our history when they may have briefly been used that way &#8212; almost always to discipline ministers, not members.</p>
<p>The really interesting question, in my mind, isn&#8217;t whether a member faces disciplinary action for deviating from our implicit or semi-explicit doctrines &#8212; since it&#8217;s pretty hard to find an example of such a thing at an organized, official level. It&#8217;s this: How does a congregation find a workable compromise between guaranteeing &#8220;freedom of the pulpit&#8221; while also expecting its minister to publicly promote the congregation&#8217;s values and doctrines? </p>
<p>What if the minister&#8217;s conscience ends up at odds with the congregation&#8217;s? Can this be explicitly acknowledged, or does the congregation need to discover some other grievance to end the relationship? Do we have implicit creedal tests for clergy?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<description>- In your polity quest, have you found any references to the office of deacon?  I found that my own congregation's by-laws have a provision for deacons.  A deacon by the by-laws is defined as a consecrated lay person, under the authority of the ordained pastor (or church board when there is no pastor), charged with assisting with communion and the care of the congregation.  I was told it was mostly an office used in the times when the church was under the care of circuit riders.

To me it sounds like a very good lay ministry to have around in small and rural churches that lack full-time ordained ministry.  If I would be at my current church longer, I would definitely revive the office of deacon.</description>
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<p>To me it sounds like a very good lay ministry to have around in small and rural churches that lack full-time ordained ministry.  If I would be at my current church longer, I would definitely revive the office of deacon.</p>
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