Comments on: John (Murray) the Obscure http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/ Scott Wells on the practice of Christian faith Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:44:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: StevenR http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17130 StevenR Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:49:59 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17130 kinda hard to say anything to that.....other than "yuck......." kinda hard to say anything to that…..other than “yuck…….”

]]> By: Scott Wells http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17119 Scott Wells Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:56:49 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17119 I think Starr King has a "nice" Universalist site that lifted the work of other people (myself included) without a word of recognition, for which they got a substantial grant from the St. Lawrence Foundation. I think Starr King has a “nice” Universalist site that lifted the work of other people (myself included) without a word of recognition, for which they got a substantial grant from the St. Lawrence Foundation.

]]> By: StevenR http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17118 StevenR Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:01:51 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17118 i notice that BooksAMillion is selling the print-on-demand version of the Treatise. i dont think that UU Central (or UUHQ) does any historical stuff whatsoever. however Starr-King has a nice Universalist history site http://www.online.sksm.edu/univ/ some smallish books are linked, and a series of articles. there are some other Universalist books online - one of the Pingree debate books, I know of...... more phamplets than books though (and in keeping with this thread title: no John Murray) i notice that BooksAMillion is selling the print-on-demand version of the Treatise.

i dont think that UU Central (or UUHQ) does any historical stuff whatsoever.
however Starr-King has a nice Universalist history site
http://www.online.sksm.edu/univ/

some smallish books are linked, and a series of articles.
there are some other Universalist books online
- one of the Pingree debate books, I know of……
more phamplets than books though

(and in keeping with this thread title: no John Murray)

]]> By: Rusty http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17106 Rusty Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:01:37 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17106 Thanks Scott, StevenR. I'll see if I can get my hands on a print version; however I'm a bit disappointed that it isn't online. The cost of digitising a book isn't that great in the scheme of things; usually the prohibitive cost is copyright. I would have thought that getting such a book online might be considered a useful exercise in outreach by UU central (sorry, don't know the proper term)? Thanks Scott, StevenR.

I’ll see if I can get my hands on a print version; however I’m a bit disappointed that it isn’t online. The cost of digitising a book isn’t that great in the scheme of things; usually the prohibitive cost is copyright. I would have thought that getting such a book online might be considered a useful exercise in outreach by UU central (sorry, don’t know the proper term)?

]]> By: StevenR http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17099 StevenR Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:09:31 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17099 Treatise on Atonement : I see that amazon has an audio book version of the Treatise for $20 and Powells is selling one of those modern print on demand yellow cover jobs for $26. Using Froogle, I see 24 different editons consisting of hundreds of copies from $16 up to 150+, including the yellow cover job for $16 (and postage). I would guess that any local brick and mortor bookstore could order the yellow cover job.... I didnt check a used book search engines. (anybody heard the audiobook mp3 version?) as for anything important (and in PD) has to be free online, well it is important enough to still be inprint -- -- and cheap enough for anyone to want a copy to get one. To put it on the web, means someone has to scan (and hopefully clean up) a copy, which is time consuming for something that is not too hard to get. If one doesnt really want to buy a copy, I would imagine an interlibrary loan would be easy enough to get. Treatise on Atonement : I see that amazon has an audio book version of the Treatise for $20 and Powells is selling one of those modern print on demand yellow cover jobs for $26. Using Froogle, I see 24 different editons consisting of hundreds of copies from $16 up to 150+, including the yellow cover job for $16 (and postage). I would guess that any local brick and mortor bookstore could order the yellow cover job.... I didnt check a used book search engines.

(anybody heard the audiobook mp3 version?)

as for anything important (and in PD) has to be free online, well it is important enough to still be inprint —
– and cheap enough for anyone to want a copy to get one. To put it on the web, means someone has to scan (and hopefully clean up) a copy, which is time consuming for something that is not too hard to get.

If one doesnt really want to buy a copy, I would imagine an interlibrary loan would be easy enough to get.

]]> By: Scott Wells http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17096 Scott Wells Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:39:26 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17096 Rusty -- It is as important, but I suspect a limiting factor for getting the Treatise online it its size (long) and the fact that is was in print (the last edition was printed in 1986) and available until fairly recently. Rusty — It is as important, but I suspect a limiting factor for getting the Treatise online it its size (long) and the fact that is was in print (the last edition was printed in 1986) and available until fairly recently.

]]> By: Rusty http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17095 Rusty Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:23:50 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17095 Hi Scott, I've been browsing your blog a little, as a person interested in universalism from a Christian perspective. I've found a lot of mentions of Ballou's Treatise on Atonement on UU sites, as though it was a document of great historical and foundational importance, but I can't find an online copy of it anywhere. You seem the person to ask - has anyone put this book online, or isn't it as important as people make out? Hi Scott,

I’ve been browsing your blog a little, as a person interested in universalism from a Christian perspective.

I’ve found a lot of mentions of Ballou’s Treatise on Atonement on UU sites, as though it was a document of great historical and foundational importance, but I can’t find an online copy of it anywhere. You seem the person to ask - has anyone put this book online, or isn’t it as important as people make out?

]]> By: StevenR http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17082 StevenR Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:35:09 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17082 Hmm, interesting point - the Murray Autobiography is common enough that I gave one away at the last Universalist Convacation; (ait was in print for a long time) - and there is at least one other biography out there, but yes, while I have lots of Ballou Sermons, and even books with Winchester's theology ((although i expect i need for my eyes to improve to read it))- and lots of stuff from the 1820s to 1890s - I dont have anything else by Murray --- not a short sermon, nothing. what else did he write? was he affliated with any of the denomination press? i guess Eddy's has a list -- but I dont have that either --- so all I know of his theology is what the younger generation had to say----- Hmm, interesting point - the Murray Autobiography is common enough that I gave one away at the last Universalist Convacation; (ait was in print for a long time) - and there is at least one other biography out there, but yes, while I have lots of Ballou Sermons, and even books with Winchester’s theology ((although i expect i need for my eyes to improve to read it))- and lots of stuff from the 1820s to 1890s - I dont have anything else by Murray — not a short sermon, nothing. what else did he write? was he affliated with any of the denomination press? i guess Eddy’s has a list — but I dont have that either — so all I know of his theology is what the younger generation had to say—–

]]> By: Derek http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17079 Derek Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:42:55 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17079 Would love to begin doing historical work on Murray froim his own documents. But how can I get my paws on them, or re-prints of them? I've got tons of stuff in my library by both Hosea and Adin Ballou; as well as Thayer, Edwin Hubble Chapin, and even a re-print of Judith Sargent Murray's letters. I smell good historical research. Would love to begin doing historical work on Murray froim his own documents. But how can I get my paws on them, or re-prints of them?

I’ve got tons of stuff in my library by both Hosea and Adin Ballou; as well as Thayer, Edwin Hubble Chapin, and even a re-print of Judith Sargent Murray’s letters.

I smell good historical research.

]]> By: Scott Wells http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17078 Scott Wells Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:43:17 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17078 Yes, Roger, and thanks for asking. Some ergonomic adjustments at Day Job made the difference. Alas, the Dvorak keyboard didn't and will have to wait. Yes, Roger, and thanks for asking. Some ergonomic adjustments at Day Job made the difference. Alas, the Dvorak keyboard didn’t and will have to wait.

]]> By: Roger Kuhrt http://boyinthebands.com/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17077 Roger Kuhrt Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:46:01 +0000 http://www.universalistchurch.net/boyinthebands/archives/john-murray-the-obscure/#comment-17077 Scott: Love the historical perspective and Enforcer's pics. were great. But I write about a more personal matter. Of late, your posts are lengthy again meaning you typed a lot. Does this mean that your wrist issues have resolved? Just curious as I was concerned for your continued well being. Scott: Love the historical perspective and Enforcer’s pics. were great. But I write about a more personal matter. Of late, your posts are lengthy again meaning you typed a lot. Does this mean that your wrist issues have resolved? Just curious as I was concerned for your continued well being.

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