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		<title>By: Scott Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I love type and even have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://boyinthebands.com/archives/category/design-and-typography/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whole category&lt;/a&gt; on this blog dedicated to it. 

And as I tell anyone who will hear: Bringhurst&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Typographic-Style-Robert-Bringhurst/dp/0881792063&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elements of Typographic Style&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is the most subtle work of theology I know, tho&#039; I&#039;ve never had the opportunity to preach on the doctrinal differences implied by A4 and U.S. letter paper. 

The sun is setting. I ought to get dressed for worship . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I love type and even have a <a href="http://boyinthebands.com/archives/category/design-and-typography/" rel="nofollow">whole category</a> on this blog dedicated to it. </p>
<p>And as I tell anyone who will hear: Bringhurst&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Typographic-Style-Robert-Bringhurst/dp/0881792063" rel="nofollow"><em>Elements of Typographic Style</em></a> is the most subtle work of theology I know, tho&#8217; I&#8217;ve never had the opportunity to preach on the doctrinal differences implied by A4 and U.S. letter paper. </p>
<p>The sun is setting. I ought to get dressed for worship . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, I&#039;m not nearly so spooked by your application of Spinoza, than the prospect of an optional dualism ascribing an ambiguous value to each party. Next thing (I&#039;d worry) you&#039;d ask me if I&#039;d want milk &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; lemon. 

Or perhaps because &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Nature&#039;s God&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is ingrained in the idea of the United States, which I confess isn&#039;t a very good reason to support a theological point, even if the Wellses were patriots and revolutionaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, I&#8217;m not nearly so spooked by your application of Spinoza, than the prospect of an optional dualism ascribing an ambiguous value to each party. Next thing (I&#8217;d worry) you&#8217;d ask me if I&#8217;d want milk <em>and</em> lemon. </p>
<p>Or perhaps because <a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Nature&#8217;s God&#8221;</a> is ingrained in the idea of the United States, which I confess isn&#8217;t a very good reason to support a theological point, even if the Wellses were patriots and revolutionaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - I forgot to mention the typefaces etc. I&#039;m passionate about type and layout so am pleased you liked it - I did in fact do the logo design (using Steffman&#039;s typeface) as well as the layout. A member of the congregation who has just died - Gee Horsley - was taught by Johnston (he designed the typeface for the London Underground) and she took a great deal of time to teach me about the subject when I first came to the church. We are also lucky to have someone in the congregation (Kevin Cribb) who was apprenticed in Eric Gill&#039;s workshop. Kevin did the stone lettering which is on the home page of the Memorial Church. So, nice to find a fellow typophile!

Oh, and the Christmas Eve service went well - it&#039;s just finished and so Christmas begins.

Have a good one,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; I forgot to mention the typefaces etc. I&#8217;m passionate about type and layout so am pleased you liked it &#8211; I did in fact do the logo design (using Steffman&#8217;s typeface) as well as the layout. A member of the congregation who has just died &#8211; Gee Horsley &#8211; was taught by Johnston (he designed the typeface for the London Underground) and she took a great deal of time to teach me about the subject when I first came to the church. We are also lucky to have someone in the congregation (Kevin Cribb) who was apprenticed in Eric Gill&#8217;s workshop. Kevin did the stone lettering which is on the home page of the Memorial Church. So, nice to find a fellow typophile!</p>
<p>Oh, and the Christmas Eve service went well &#8211; it&#8217;s just finished and so Christmas begins.</p>
<p>Have a good one,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Scott,

Thanks for taking the time to take a look at the service and comment thoughtfully and if critically - in the proper and useful sense of this word! You make a good and healthy point what you say you&#039;d &quot;rather wrestle with these matters than wallow in the sentimental or trite, and those are more common options.&quot; Amen, brother. Anyway, three brief points that might be helpful - not to getting you to buy into the service but simply to aid the wrestling.

I&#039;d be interested in your thoughts about the Humiliati but, in terms of &#039;influence&#039;, I was really only talking about the form of their communion service itself rather than them, per se, as a group. For those who want to see it, it&#039;s reprinted in the UUA&#039;s book on communion services.

The second thing is about &quot;God and Nature&quot; - the underlying reference is actually Spinoza&#039;s &quot;Deus-sive-Natura&quot; (God or Nature). Consequently, I fear that what I am suggesting here is actually &#039;worse&#039; than you imagine! It is not di-theism but, something that many traditional theists think is atheism. I don&#039;t think it is - it&#039;s really a kind of non-theistic conception of divinity. Anyway sorry about that! I guess this will go in your the &#039;none of the above&#039; column but, in a way that is why I sort of soft-pedal with the language since, to my mind, a communion service shouldn&#039;t be too obviously headline its underlying philosophy - I&#039;d much rather we simply took time to share bread and wine together in memory of Jesus&#039; extraordinary example of how to live in response to the Divine and try to do the same ourselves. However, it seems to me that too many liberal versions of communion - in order to be &#039;inclusive&#039; (such a problematic idea . . .) have so emptied themselves of any real theological/philosophical thinking that what is left is merely sentimental and emotional. This service is simply an attempt to do some of that necessary theological/philosophical work in the field, so to speak, rather than at my desk.

Lastly, I take your well made point about already finding some of what Tanabe Hajime said in kenotic Christianity (Lampe&#039;s spirit Christology was an exciting find for me when I was a youngster). In the end, however, I headline Tanabe&#039;s work because he is working out of a conception of divinity (God) that is closer to the kind of Spinozistic non-theistic conception of divinity I actually hold.

You may argue, perhaps rightly, that this is all too much of a revision to be considered Christian at all, but then what does one do when one&#039;s traditional theist faith disappears - as mine did? Most people seem to fall into the camp of rejecting the Christian tradition entirely and become wildly anti-Christian - we can all cite dreadful examples of this phenomenon within our own &#039;liberal&#039; religious circles. I just can&#039;t do that. It seems to me that the Christian tradition remains extraordinarily valuable and when I followed the trajectory it took after Spinoza (and Radical Enlightenment in general) I found one positive way to re-articulate it that seems to me to resonate well with what we now know about the world in the 21st century.

I&#039;ll stop now! Too many words but it is all part of the wrestling and I thank-you for grappling with the ideas of the service with me and passing it on to others. Much appreciated.

Happy Christmas.

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Scott,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to take a look at the service and comment thoughtfully and if critically &#8211; in the proper and useful sense of this word! You make a good and healthy point what you say you&#8217;d &#8220;rather wrestle with these matters than wallow in the sentimental or trite, and those are more common options.&#8221; Amen, brother. Anyway, three brief points that might be helpful &#8211; not to getting you to buy into the service but simply to aid the wrestling.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in your thoughts about the Humiliati but, in terms of &#8216;influence&#8217;, I was really only talking about the form of their communion service itself rather than them, per se, as a group. For those who want to see it, it&#8217;s reprinted in the UUA&#8217;s book on communion services.</p>
<p>The second thing is about &#8220;God and Nature&#8221; &#8211; the underlying reference is actually Spinoza&#8217;s &#8220;Deus-sive-Natura&#8221; (God or Nature). Consequently, I fear that what I am suggesting here is actually &#8216;worse&#8217; than you imagine! It is not di-theism but, something that many traditional theists think is atheism. I don&#8217;t think it is &#8211; it&#8217;s really a kind of non-theistic conception of divinity. Anyway sorry about that! I guess this will go in your the &#8216;none of the above&#8217; column but, in a way that is why I sort of soft-pedal with the language since, to my mind, a communion service shouldn&#8217;t be too obviously headline its underlying philosophy &#8211; I&#8217;d much rather we simply took time to share bread and wine together in memory of Jesus&#8217; extraordinary example of how to live in response to the Divine and try to do the same ourselves. However, it seems to me that too many liberal versions of communion &#8211; in order to be &#8216;inclusive&#8217; (such a problematic idea . . .) have so emptied themselves of any real theological/philosophical thinking that what is left is merely sentimental and emotional. This service is simply an attempt to do some of that necessary theological/philosophical work in the field, so to speak, rather than at my desk.</p>
<p>Lastly, I take your well made point about already finding some of what Tanabe Hajime said in kenotic Christianity (Lampe&#8217;s spirit Christology was an exciting find for me when I was a youngster). In the end, however, I headline Tanabe&#8217;s work because he is working out of a conception of divinity (God) that is closer to the kind of Spinozistic non-theistic conception of divinity I actually hold.</p>
<p>You may argue, perhaps rightly, that this is all too much of a revision to be considered Christian at all, but then what does one do when one&#8217;s traditional theist faith disappears &#8211; as mine did? Most people seem to fall into the camp of rejecting the Christian tradition entirely and become wildly anti-Christian &#8211; we can all cite dreadful examples of this phenomenon within our own &#8216;liberal&#8217; religious circles. I just can&#8217;t do that. It seems to me that the Christian tradition remains extraordinarily valuable and when I followed the trajectory it took after Spinoza (and Radical Enlightenment in general) I found one positive way to re-articulate it that seems to me to resonate well with what we now know about the world in the 21st century.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop now! Too many words but it is all part of the wrestling and I thank-you for grappling with the ideas of the service with me and passing it on to others. Much appreciated.</p>
<p>Happy Christmas.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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