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	<title>Comments on: Bad behavior at alternate wiki encyclopedia</title>
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	<description>Scott Wells on the practice of Christian faith</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a difference between editorial standards, with allows for an open diversity of opinion, and a worldview that voids its competition. If you can&#039;t tell the difference, I can hardly help you.

Given time, the truth will come out. Errors appear, clearer minds correct the faults. The open model is, if anything, superior as it doesn&#039;t hide or defer its corrections like a conventional encyclopedia, or to continue the software metaphor, Microsoft. If you keep a lid on truth, by circumscribing what truth is before it can be discussed and digested, as with the CreationWiki et alia, it will be smothered. The bitter and wrathful way each Conservapedia and CreationWiki addresses Wikipedia -- from which they are not prevented from participating -- says volumes about what spirit they bear. You can keep company with them all you like; I shan&#039;t be bothering you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a difference between editorial standards, with allows for an open diversity of opinion, and a worldview that voids its competition. If you can&#8217;t tell the difference, I can hardly help you.</p>
<p>Given time, the truth will come out. Errors appear, clearer minds correct the faults. The open model is, if anything, superior as it doesn&#8217;t hide or defer its corrections like a conventional encyclopedia, or to continue the software metaphor, Microsoft. If you keep a lid on truth, by circumscribing what truth is before it can be discussed and digested, as with the CreationWiki et alia, it will be smothered. The bitter and wrathful way each Conservapedia and CreationWiki addresses Wikipedia &#8212; from which they are not prevented from participating &#8212; says volumes about what spirit they bear. You can keep company with them all you like; I shan&#8217;t be bothering you there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stephen Retherford writing at Sisyphus has been musing about CreationWiki and Conservapedia, two ideologically-driven  alternatives to Wikipedia.&quot;

You say this as if Wikipedia itself is not ideologically-driven, which any informed person knows better. Wikipedia supports an ideology of democratization of resource materials as well as an ideology of open source (which can be a good or bad thing depending on how its enacted.) You yourself (as all people) are an ideologically driven person, so it should come to no surprise that there will be others who like you ardently promote their beliefs while departing from you in the particulars of them.

&quot;Alas, both projects are doomed to quick obscurity, which may or may not feed their well-cultivated sense of persecution. The gift economy (Wikipedia link, of course) that makes Wikipedia possible passively resists ideological confines. In a word, it is nearly impossible to maintain the critical mass such a project needs if you select-out most potential writers.&quot;

I&#039;d argue that WIkipedia is probably doomed as well. Open source works great for software (Linux, BSD, et al) but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters in the quality of your work, whether you are editing source code or online encyclopedias. The recent controversy with now former Wiki editor EssJay (who was able to fake his credentials and had no formal expertise in many of the topics he edited) underscores the Achilles heel of an open encyclopedia- the utter lack of control in content.

I&#039;d also like to point out another former Wikipedia editor who went by the username Revolyob. He was a pedophile-advocate who for some time ran a blog called Pedalogues, espousing the supposed glories of sex between children and adults. For some time he posted content on Wikipedia that advocated the pedophile activity. After being banned, many in the Wikipedia community demanded that his user rights be restored and shortly thereafter, the ban was lifted.

Personally, I&#039;ll take the ideology of a few Creationists over that of those in charge of Wikipedia any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stephen Retherford writing at Sisyphus has been musing about CreationWiki and Conservapedia, two ideologically-driven  alternatives to Wikipedia.&#8221;</p>
<p>You say this as if Wikipedia itself is not ideologically-driven, which any informed person knows better. Wikipedia supports an ideology of democratization of resource materials as well as an ideology of open source (which can be a good or bad thing depending on how its enacted.) You yourself (as all people) are an ideologically driven person, so it should come to no surprise that there will be others who like you ardently promote their beliefs while departing from you in the particulars of them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Alas, both projects are doomed to quick obscurity, which may or may not feed their well-cultivated sense of persecution. The gift economy (Wikipedia link, of course) that makes Wikipedia possible passively resists ideological confines. In a word, it is nearly impossible to maintain the critical mass such a project needs if you select-out most potential writers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that WIkipedia is probably doomed as well. Open source works great for software (Linux, BSD, et al) but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters in the quality of your work, whether you are editing source code or online encyclopedias. The recent controversy with now former Wiki editor EssJay (who was able to fake his credentials and had no formal expertise in many of the topics he edited) underscores the Achilles heel of an open encyclopedia- the utter lack of control in content.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to point out another former Wikipedia editor who went by the username Revolyob. He was a pedophile-advocate who for some time ran a blog called Pedalogues, espousing the supposed glories of sex between children and adults. For some time he posted content on Wikipedia that advocated the pedophile activity. After being banned, many in the Wikipedia community demanded that his user rights be restored and shortly thereafter, the ban was lifted.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ll take the ideology of a few Creationists over that of those in charge of Wikipedia any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff W.</title>
		<link>http://boyinthebands.com/archives/bad-behavior-at-alternate-wiki-encyclopedia/comment-page-1/#comment-35158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I love this stuff.  It convinces no one who isn&#039;t already ideologically on-board, but does use up precious conservative resources.  Meanwhile, people such as myself who study American religion for a living are given a big free primary source to publish papers about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I love this stuff.  It convinces no one who isn&#8217;t already ideologically on-board, but does use up precious conservative resources.  Meanwhile, people such as myself who study American religion for a living are given a big free primary source to publish papers about.</p>
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